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04-19 20:18

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I guess this is more for the grown audience out there, but have you read the Ice and Fire books? I'm reading the second (A Clash of Kings) and I am nearly finished with it. I wasn't sure how I liked them when I was reading the first book, but now, almost having finished the second book, I am thrilled. I am in love with these books, even though I am not too fond of his writing style (changing POV every chapter) but it has proven to be the best possible way to tell this story, so I guess it's fine.

Have you read them? And what do you think about them? Who's your favorite and least favorite character? Feel free to PM me as well if you wish to chat about the books :happy
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04-19 20:23

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Yup, all of them. They are really addictive, if I may say so. And while its fiction and fantasie, it handels the characters with the cruelty of real history. There are no 'favourites', no one is safe.
And I find that thrillingly unusual.
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04-19 20:23

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My goodness yes! I love those books to tiny bitty pieces. The unrelenting horror and depression hasn't gotten to me yet, at least.

My favorite character is absolutely Daenerys Targaryen, with Jaime Lannister a close second. (As you're only in book two, you're probably wondering about that second choice. Wait for it, trust me.) I also adore Jon and Arya.

Least favorite? Hmm, do you mean the character I care least about or the person I dislike the most? Because I kind of love to hate Cersei. She's an awesome character in her awful petty nasty way.
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04-19 20:25

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After coming across the series on TV (dubbed German *sigh*) I decided to buy the first book (english) to see if I like it. I'm halfway through and I love it so far - besides the fact that some of his main characters are so awfully YOUNG that it unsettles me a bit what is being done to them. (Especially Daenerys Targaryen)

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04-19 20:25

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... I watched the first season of the show... Does that count?
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04-19 20:28

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I'm reading them! Also reading Clash of Kings... maybe a little over 2/3 the way through.

I have mixed feelings about them; on one hand, the stories are really moving and interesting, and I love how descriptive his writing is. On the other, I think there are a lot of "adult" things that could be left out or at least alluded to, rather than described in detail. Martin is an excellent storyteller, but he strikes me as a bit of a pervert, frankly.

I think my favorite characters are Arya and Jon; least faves: Cercei, Jaime, Joffrey (duh. lol), Tywin, Stannis, and Gregor. ^^
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04-19 20:29

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They're my favorite book series. I just re-read all 5 a few months ago. My favorite is a tie between Daenerys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister. My least favorite character is without a doubt Catelyn Stark.

I have a pet theory about who Jon's mother is. Anyone interested in hearing it can pm me ^^
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04-19 20:30

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I plan to start reading them, my friends just got me into the TV series, which I just caught up on, but I now must read the books. Really hope they have them at my campus library. :love
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04-19 20:31

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Quote Kranja:

My goodness yes! I love those books to tiny bitty pieces. The unrelenting horror and depression hasn't gotten to me yet, at least.

My favorite character is absolutely Daenerys Targaryen, with Jaime Lannister a close second. (As you're only in book two, you're probably wondering about that second choice. Wait for it, trust me.) I also adore Jon and Arya.

Least favorite? Hmm, do you mean the character I care least about or the person I dislike the most? Because I kind of love to hate Cersei. She's an awesome character in her awful petty nasty way.




yayyy for Jaime Daenerys and Arya. But, wow, I hate John Snow, he irritates the hell out of me:P
Im kind of sorry for Cersei... if she did have a proper education, not just the "female version" I am sure she could have became adapt at politics. She just totally lacks any real experience in it.
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04-19 20:36

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Quote Kranja:


The unrelenting horror and depression hasn't gotten to me yet, at least.



It has to me. I've had to take a couple of breaks already. :tongue

Quote Kranja:


My favorite character is absolutely Daenerys Targaryen, with Jaime Lannister a close second. (As you're only in book two, you're probably wondering about that second choice. Wait for it, trust me.)



Hmmm, interesting. I'll keep a lookout for any redeeming actions of his, but it's tough to forgive someone for treason, betrayal, incest, and trying to kill innocent children.

I liked Dany more earlier on; she was so sweet and innocent, and kind. She is still somewhat kind, but she seems to be getting just as power-hungry as the rest of the would-be rulers. It's one thing to take up arms against evil people who cause harm to everyone else; it's another to kill others simply because you want to be in charge. That's why I dislike Stannis, the Ironmen, and am liking Dany less.
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04-19 20:40

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Quote Rosieferret:

I have a pet theory about who Jon's mother is. Anyone interested in hearing it can pm me ^^



Everyone has a pet theory about who Jon's mother is. :XD It's one of the main ongoing fan-arguments. Never gets old. I think my favorites are the twisted convoluted theory trees that try to link him back to the Targaryens.

Quote Viara:

yayyy for Jaime Daenerys and Arya. But, wow, I hate John Snow, he irritates the hell out of me:P
Im kind of sorry for Cersei... if she did have a proper education, not just the "female version" I am sure she could have became adapt at politics. She just totally lacks any real experience in it.



Aw, give Jon time. He still has some growing up to do. It's possible my opinion of him is softened just because of Ghost, who us unutterably awesome. And yeah, Cersei would be more effective if she'd been actually trained in politics, but she's such a nasty witch I can't help but think that would be a bad thing....

Oh, Tyrion! How could I have forgotten Tyrion when I was listing my favorite characters? Tyrion is five hundred pounds of awesome in a....whatcha think, about eighty?....pound package.
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04-19 20:40

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Exactly Viara. I love that no one is safe, and how things just seemed to go out of control in book two. I was so "OH GOD NO!" when I though to certain males were dead. I actually believed they were dead, and when reading other books there's always that one character you know is going to survive it all and be the great hero and there's no famines or whatnot. In Ice and Fire, there's no one who is certain to survive.

I really like Dany as well, but up until now I've preferred her in book 1. I really like Tyrion though. He's so wicked and .. I don't know what it is.
Hm, I sort of pity Jaime. There's hints everywhere that he's more than this handsome knight with a blade, but that no one ever sees him as anything else but that. But now I really want to read the rest of the books. (I have five so far.. )
I really dislike Sansa though. Well, what I've seen of her character up until know. She's.. sort of naïve and.. yeah, I don't know what it is. And ugh! I disliked her even more in the TV show. My love-hate relationship is with Theon though. I feel sorry for him yet I hate him for some of the things he do. But I guess I'll learn more about him as I read.

@darkmoore: yeah, I was slightly uncomfortable reading some of the scenes, but just remember that it was different times (or well, supposed to be!) and that people married younger than they do today :smile

LilyTurtle: Ha ha, I guess it does? Sort of :happy
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04-19 20:41

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It's one thing to take up arms against evil people who cause harm to everyone else; it's another to kill others simply because you want to be in charge.



Who exactly did Dany kill just to be in charge?
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04-19 20:42

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I'm listening to the second book (audible). As a result, the spelling of most names eludes me. I'm enjoying the series thus far. I find the imp most amusing.
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04-19 20:48

Kranja

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Quote Myrrhmaid:


Hmmm, interesting. I'll keep a lookout for any redeeming actions of his, but it's tough to forgive someone for treason, betrayal, incest, and trying to kill innocent children.

I liked Dany more earlier on; she was so sweet and innocent, and kind. She is still somewhat kind, but she seems to be getting just as power-hungry as the rest of the would-be rulers. It's one thing to take up arms against evil people who cause harm to everyone else; it's another to kill others simply because you want to be in charge. That's why I dislike Stannis, the Ironmen, and am liking Dany less.



Oh, he'll never exactly be a good guy. But this series doesn't have any exactly good guys. But he does get significantly more....morally ambiguous. Fair enough if you find the incest and child-murder unforgivable, though. I'd say that's a pretty reasonable stance to take.

Along the same lines, I understand your misgivings about Dany. But, well, like I said, no good guys. I would elaborate, but I find it hard to hold any rational discussion about Daenerys without descending to shouting Daenerys Stormborn Mother of freaking Dragons! and waving my arms around a lot while cackling gleefully.
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04-19 20:56

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I also like about this series that there aren't really any good guys. You can always find things that are good or bad about one of the characters; my favorite characters also have 'bad' sides and vice versa. In every other book I've every read, there's always been the good guy and his friends and the bad guy who tries to slay the good guy.
These books.. are far more complicated, and I love it :happy
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04-19 21:05

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Yes, people married younger than today, but there is not just an age difference. The way the women are being used, sold, pushed around for other poeple's purposes is just nothing I truly enjoy reading about. I like the whole setup but what hat her brother does to Daenerys, the way she is being treated - she's still a child, other times or not - and no woman should be sold in any way. (Yes, I know political marriages were the norm, not the exception - still doesn't make it right)

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04-19 21:11

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Quote Rosieferret:


Who exactly did Dany kill just to be in charge?



Nobody yet (well, maybe the maegi, but you can make a case for that). But she is trying to wage war eventually (where I'm at in the books). Which I know practically everyone is doing - >.> - but a lot of how I'll feel about her or any other character will depend a lot on how she does it. Torturing innocent people, burning villages, abusing women, murdering children for crying... the armies doing that are just plain evil. Historically accurate maybe, but evil.

Of course if she keeps her people from doing that, then I can keep liking her. :XD




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Along the same lines, I understand your misgivings about Dany. But, well, like I said, no good guys. I would elaborate, but I find it hard to hold any rational discussion about Daenerys without descending to shouting Daenerys Stormborn Mother of freaking Dragons! and waving my arms around a lot while cackling gleefully.



LOL :XD

Yeah, she's definitely awesome... it just remains to be seen (for me) whether she turns out awesome and mostly-sort-of-good or awe-strikingly evil. :tongue
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04-19 21:12

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I've read all of them. My favorite character is Tyrion. I have sort of a love/hate relationship with them though. I really loved the first one, and the second one was good... But somewhere around the forth one, it started really dragging for me. I just have the sense that he doesn't have a plan or direction anymore, the characters are just sort of wandering about going to and from various places for the most part, and there's long passages where I felt like they could have been cut. For example.....

*SPOILER ALERT* (Highlight the text to read...)

There was a pov character (Quentyn Martell I think?) in the fifth book who ended up doing one important thing (which could have been accomplished any number of other ways), and then he died. After reading that I couldn't help but wonder why on earth did he even bother with that character. *sigh*

/end spoiler

But yeah, I still really like his writing style, and chances all I'll read the others anyways.

04-19 21:16

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I totally agree darkmoore.
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04-19 22:07

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I've read the first book a loooong time ago, but never continued on. I would like to get that series and read it though. Daenerys Targaryen was my favorite character.
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04-19 22:10

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Ah yes, I have read the first two books, A game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings. Ive been bogged down with uni work lately but as soon as I'm on holiday I'll be getting to the rest!
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04-19 22:12

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Quote darkmoore:

Yes, people married younger than today, but there is not just an age difference. The way the women are being used, sold, pushed around for other poeple's purposes is just nothing I truly enjoy reading about. I like the whole setup but what hat her brother does to Daenerys, the way she is being treated - she's still a child, other times or not - and no woman should be sold in any way. (Yes, I know political marriages were the norm, not the exception - still doesn't make it right)



I agree that it isn't right for us, living in the 21st century, and I don't think any woman (or man!) anywhere should be traded like goods or cattle or whatever, but we have to face the facts. For someone at some point, this was the way and also the right way. So no, in our world, it is not right, but in a land like Westeros it may just be right, even though it's not somthing I -or hardly anyone else, I believe?- approve of. I for one think that it's great to read a fantasy book that isn't all heroes and armor and shiny stuff and love, but actually shows all the bad sides to every tale there is as well, because we all know they're there - it's just about accepting it or not :smile
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04-19 23:39

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I've read the first four, but I haven't been able to get started on the most recent one yet. I have so much to read! Urgh. But I do really enjoy them, I think the worldbuilding is incredible and the story is just huge and sprawling and still has room for every character to have a moment. Arya's probably my favorite character, but I love Daenerys and Jon Snow as well. And I love how HBO is doing the adaptation (aside from all the gratuitous nudity).

04-20 19:45

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Ive read the first four and I'm hesitant to read the fifth, mostly because I'm afraid it will be another half decade before the next one. Arya is my favorite character, followed by Tyrion, Jon and Dani. I don't believe Mr. Martin delights in how the women are treated but is just using what has happened throughout most of human history.
I actually wish I'd seen the show first since they've been following the books so closely. I'd recommend watching it then reading the book for that season if you are new to the series.( Of course only if you are old enough to watch the show.)
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